Opening the Curtain on Seventh 7️⃣ Chakra

A dialogue on tobacco’s code of grounded alertness, the anti-technology of cigarettes, the spiritual distortion of starving the body, and why real vitality requires a mission capable of using it.

a Code of Grounded Alertness

Max: We have an open-running dialogue here. It’s hot outside, so we’re gonna do some recordings.

What do you feel is the purpose of the tobacco plant, or the mission of it?

LuLu: I think it has the codes of grounded alertness.

Max: You smoked extensively—cigarettes—in your early twenties. Is that correct?

LuLu: Smoked a pack a day from the time I was sixteen until I was twenty-five.

Max: It’s horrible.

LuLu: Pack a day. Wake up—first thing in my mouth, cigarette and a coffee. Anything to stunt my appetite. Had a very bad eating disorder for over fifteen years, eighteen years, something like that.

When a Tool Becomes an Anti-Technology

Max: So, cigarette first thing when you wake up. So maybe when a technology or a living entity is used outside of its—

LuLu: It’s definitely an anti-technology.

I think about that a lot, this thing about now, you know, knowing what I know and thinking about the body in the way that we do. It’s like, what a bizarre idea to starve yourself so that they cannot activate higher potential in you as a being.

You know, it’s literally like—the act of starving yourself is literally like going into a room with the, what do you call that, the access panels? Like all of the electrical switches—the control room of, like, a building—and you go in there and you just turn off as many lights as you can.

That’s what starving yourself is. It’s like a very fast way to make yourself less of what you are.

Food, Clarity, and the Mystic

Max: There was actually a Sadhguru post this morning that said—I should quote it. His quotes are quite good. It said:

“The way you eat not only decides your physical health, but the very way you think, feel, and experience life.”

Completely understated.

You know, it’s interesting. I watched him—he was traveling. He said, “I’m so hungry.” He was walking through—it was like four a.m., he was in Europe, walking through the streets—and someone said, “The only thing that’s open is Hard Rock Cafe.”

And he said, “No matter how hungry I am, I will not eat at Hard Rock Cafe.”

And he said, “I’m a mystic. The number one value to a mystic is clarity.”

LuLu: Yeah.

Max: You want your system on, but not bogged down, which is what sattvic food used to be about.

LuLu: Yeah, the two things go together. Like, starving yourself as a lifestyle depletes your body technology as much as it does with feeding.

The Spiritual Distortion of Denying the Body

Max: Why is it, then, that spirituality promotes it? And I think it’s a catch—I’m gonna put my answer in—because I don’t think it does. I think there was a twist somewhere that got confused.

Because when I read ancient spirituality, they talk of promotion of the body. Modern spirituality, the past two thousand years or so, talks about starving the body, treating the body like a rag.

LuLu: I think—I mean, some of the conversations that we’ve had over the last few days are an answer to exactly this question, which is that something that has become mistranslated somewhere in the greater culture of spirituality has been to deny the body.

And you’ll notice that many very, very, very spiritual people—or people that identify as very spiritual people—don’t really have a mission in life. They kind of just wander. They’re not really doing anything with their bodies. They’re just waiting to leave the body.

Max: True.

LuLu: And so why would you invigorate the body and turn on the body if you’re trying to leave it, right?

Max: If your life is meaningless, like, don’t make it more meaningless. You know, you don’t want to be energized and bored. Better to be dull and bored.

Vitality Needs an Aim

LuLu: There’s less interference. There’s less resistance to your boredom.

Like food—the right food, again. Not toxic food, not chemicals, not processed food, not food that’s been prepared by the hands of people who have, you know, certain—

And that’s a whole other conversation.

Food that is natural and full of prana and vitality, that remains the wisdom and code that nature designed it to be, is an invigorator. It’s an energizing source and fuel for the body technology.

If it doesn’t have anything to do, it’s going to create chaos. Like, if you have a rocket and it doesn’t have any direction, and you just have that combustible fuel, it’s going to just spin around if it doesn’t have any aim, essentially.

Max: Sure.

LuLu: And it creates chaos in the system. And so I think people that are very spiritual people—or identify as such, at least—if they don’t have a specific aim that’s trying to be lived out through their body, then when you start to activate the body, it becomes very overwhelming.

Opening the Curtain on Seventh Chakra

Max: I mean, what isn’t overwhelming about it, fundamentally? Like, that is what overwhelm is: it’s overwhelmed the circuitry. It’s overwhelmed its capacity.

If I can interject—open the curtain right now—if you do not have seventh chakra activated, much of the things we say are bullshit. Like, it doesn’t make any sense.

It’s so counterintuitive to create a hard life that requires you to be fully activated and fully full of vitality if you don’t have seventh.

It’s much smarter to just relax and enjoy, and be entertained by television, and to sit and smoke cigarettes and drink coffee and just talk with your friends at dinner. That’s much better, because the world is a hard place, generally speaking.

So I just want to open the fourth wall and say that the things—if you’ve been reading along—the things that we’re putting here, if they’re confusing, you may not have seventh. And if you want seventh, that’s maybe a different conversation than what’s being had here. Maybe we’ll do a publication specifically on that.

Surrender for Fucking Real

LuLu: Yes. I think it’s a really good point that the thing that’s happening here is that when somebody activates seventh chakra, which is crown chakra—and we’ve talked about, I think, in a previous dialogue; maybe we didn’t bring it into a dialogue—but we talked about how the way that you get to seventh chakra is that you ultimately fully surrender.

Like, for fucking real. Not the bullshit surrender that L.A. girls do of like, “I surrender.”

I mean, it’s really where you surrender—where you’re like, “I will live on the side of a fucking mountain, in a cave, in rags, with no friends and no technology, if that’s what it takes. If that is the real thing, if that is real, I will give up my family. I will give up my friends. I will give up my Instagram account. I will give up whatever it takes if that is truth.”

That’s how you get seventh chakra. It’s where you make so much space in your life and so much space in your existence that the only thing that can happen is for the divine to fill you.

That’s seventh chakra.

The Full-Body Interface

LuLu: And then, from there, it’s a process of bringing that seventh chakra, that divine mission, that divine God-filled state, into the rest of the body—so that through your intelligence, through your sixth chakra, you use that toward the mission. You use your throat for your mission.

Max: You use your heart for your mission. You use all your lower chakras, your other chakras—

LuLu: —for this divine thing, for this God-filled duty that you have been tasked with. You use your whole body for it.

That’s like a full-body interface with the divine, now plugged into life, so that something spiritual and something divine can come through you as a conduit. And in order to do that, actually, you have to activate the body fully.

Tobacco, Fasting, and Emptying the Self

Max: And where does that relate to tobacco? Is it that real tobacco can help you find that, at least temporarily?

It can suppress your appetite, so you empty yourself of nonsense and of toxicity, and give you a brief look at something.

It’s a tool.

LuLu: And I think initially that’s what fasting did. It was a way to empty yourself of your belief systems, your preconceived notions.

The body becomes very weak, so potentially the mind also accompanies that state of stillness and weakness. And when your mind is weaker, the quote-unquote ego starts to fall.

And really, you know, the famous story of Jesus in the Bible, for example, did this fucking forty-day fast. And it said that—maybe it wasn’t exactly at that time, maybe sometime after—but it said that he emptied himself of himself.

It’s this great word, kenosis. It’s like to empty yourself of yourself, and then the divine fills you.

So fasting may be a part of that, but it’s not the full picture.

Max: Yeah. I mean, it just gets taken out of context so often. I think that’s the issue.